A biotechnology melodrama in Tweets.
Hendrick Goltzins The Fall of Man |
Have you heard of the non-browning Arctic Apple engineered to market sliced apples and reduce waste? The GMO apple is galaxies away from fruit Adam and Eve tasted in the Garden of Eden.
It's worth reading some science going into its creation to learn if we feel at ease taking a bite and tasting this modern fruit....dwelling a bit on the tree of knowledge good or evil, science or belief?
If, like me, you have ever felt like some GMO scientists sound more evangelical than scientific by the time you are done reading this modern Twitter drama there will be less doubt your feelings are legitimate.
Though it might give you a little headache if you aren't a scientist, I think it'll be worth your time. Knowledge is like that. Biotechnology science is as fascinating as it gets, even if a little complicated.
It could be a fun exercise in separating science from illusions of science-beliefs.
If you aren't science minded skip the details. Ask yourself a basic question "am I seeing statements fitting better in the science or religion category"? The fog might lift a just a little.
Science 101:
Evidence-based
Customarily presented in a form of shiny citations to data ( non-scientists might find annoying).
Usually containing raw numbers, science symbols, charts or graphs.
Core tenet: questioning assumptions.:
" What is the evidence for my theory/ hypothesis / belief ???????"
Religion--belief based.
No data, proof, or evidence required.*
Science citations inevitably absent.
Assertions made requiring zero proof.
* Don't recall the last time they showed numbers or graphs at a religious ceremony.
It is a good thing, too -can't remember the last spiritual, transcendental graph I've seen, do you?
According to the New York Times, these apples are neither wanted by consumers nor apple growers.
I have some questions about testing before taking a bite, don't you? [1] [7]
Were precise profiling techniques used e.g. transcriptomics, proteomics, metabolomics ( the "omics")?
Any feeding trials conducted on laboratory rats?
The answers appear to be "None" & "No".
If approved, the Apple will be one of the very few products designed with silencing technology intended for use as food for people, and it will have evaded proper safety testing. [9]
Unlike the common herbicide-tolerant and insecticidal GMOs, the GMO apple was not created by the addition of genes. (+)
A genetic engineering technique called RNAi or RNA interference was used. Double-stranded RNA (dsRNA) which binds messenger RNA (mRNA) preventing the production of the browning enzyme; PPO was introduced. (*)
Darryl Hannah tweeted a link to her followers encouraging them to voice their disapproval
DEADLINE DECEMBER 16: Tell the USDA You Don’t Want a GMO Apple! - http://t.co/IkaApTkrsk @OrganicConsumer
— Daryl Hannah (@dhlovelife) December 15, 2013
Predictably "scientists" flocked to "educate the masses".
@beachvetlbc This interview with the CEO of @ArcticApples is really good too. He talks about the details. http://t.co/DF71RwV2Qu
— Suzanne Kennedy (@SuzyScientist) December 15, 2013
The website is a glossy promotional site without a single science citation to be found.
So I pressed the scientist & Co again, and again, and again, and again to post links to science on off-target effects (OTE).
@tibbsy07 Again, tell that to the dead worms who were late to the class & died. http://t.co/Ep8A1yUycr
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 18, 2013
You see it is very well known that today's silencing technology leads to unpredictable unintended effects causing surprises." When designing therapeutic short-interfering RNAs (siRNAs), off-target effects (OTEs) are usually predicted by computational quantification of messenger RNAs (mRNAs) that contain matches to the siRNA seed sequence in their 3' UTRs ( untranslated regions) [..]
We observed no correlation between the number of computationally predicted OTEs and the actual number of seed-dependent OTEs (P=0.76). On average only 20.5% of actual transcriptional OTEs were seed-dependent (i.e., predicted)." [6]
Sometimes as discovered in a study on bees - scientists silenced genes they didn't even know existed! [3]
A study on insecticidal RNAi reported that dsRNA engineered to kill insects produced unintended secondary dsRNA with different sequences and different targets than originally planned which did the insects in. [4] A similar process of generation of secondary dsRNA has been described in plants.[8]
Off-target effects causing unpredictable gene silencing are far from conspiratorial. They are discussed by USDA's scientists [5]
@beachvetlbc @Chrisatmosphere @ArcticApples RNAi is specific. Over 10 years testing. All studies show they are nutritionally equivalent.
— Suzanne Kennedy (@SuzyScientist) December 15, 2013
Suzy, the scientist claims there have been 10yrs of testing which, while true, is misleading because they were years of agronomic research and development, rather than safety testing.
Not a single study on any experimental animal-lab rat or human- exposed to this silenced fruit is anywhere to find. Not a single "omics" study ( transcriptomics, metabolomics or proteomics) [7] is cited in spite of multiple requests.
Thus saying they are nutritionally equivalent is a leap of faith- not rigorous science.
@beachvetlbc RNAi is occurring in the cells of your body all day every day. It is a natural process. @ArcticApples
— Suzanne Kennedy (@SuzyScientist) December 15, 2013
@tibbsy07 @SuzyScientist The dsRNA in apple new & exogenous. No one has posted DATA on in planta *off-target effects*, which are common
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 18, 2013
The tweet below is where it got really interesting!
@beachvetlbc @ArcticApples It can't. Humans don't have the gene for PPO. It is a plant gene. And microRNA won't survive stomach acid pH2
— Suzanne Kennedy (@SuzyScientist) December 15, 2013
1. She is unaware that a study recently completed at Rutgers University demonstrating short dsRNA (microRNA) in the viscera of rabbits fed a therapeutic (antiviral) microRNA engineered tomato. The scientists filed a patent for plant-based therapeutic applications using this technology. Thus, her declarative statement that microRNA won't survive digestion is steeped in a brew of ignorance and is scientifically untrue.
Edible transgenic plants as oral delivery vehicles for RNA-based therapeutics #dsRNA Say dietary miRNAs detected.
http://t.co/N7tm7TQxtE
— Jack Heinemann (@Jack_Heinemann) November 16, 2013
the #dsRNA from GM plants "can be taken up efficiently into the circulatory system of mammals after their ingestion" http://t.co/N7tm7TQxtE
— Jack Heinemann (@Jack_Heinemann) November 16, 2013
novel dietary #GMO RNA "stable for up to two weeks in the blood" of rabbits and detected in brain, spleen & liver http://t.co/N7tm7TQxtE …
— Jack Heinemann (@Jack_Heinemann) November 16, 2013
2. It should be clear to readers that absence of PPO ( browning enzyme) and its gene in humans is irrelevant in the context of off-target effects in the plant itself or animals ingesting the silencing gene carrying apples.
3. She appears unaware of a study demonstrating microRNA from bacteria, fungi and even insects has been detected in human plasma. How did they get there? Did she not know or has she not bothered to ask? [2]. Oh, yeah--Monsanto insists microRNA can't be absorbed, and is still arguing that microRNA are a contaminant to avoid safety testing its crops.
4. But, there is not a single study anywhere in the literature showing rates of degradation of double-stranded RNA at Ph 2! Never mind in the range of gastric pH's (2-5) in adult humans.
So Suzy, the Scientist, can Not back up any of her claims. Her only refuge would be to call me names, which she already tried, but I skipped that part because ad hominem statements starting with " you are...X, Y, ...Z" are so common in these GMO "conversations/ religious conversions."
Thus, I pressed the scientists to show me a study on degradation of dsRNA at ph2. Here is what happened.
@prometheusgreen @Chrisatmosphere @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist Never mind in an actual stomach w. pH 2-5 and is higher in babies! Crickets!
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 17, 2013
@Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist I
Prefer a citation to SINGLE study on degradation rates of dsRNA. Crickets!
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 17, 2013
@prometheusgreen @SuzyScientist @Chrisatmosphere @kevinfolta Still waiting for a single citation. Crickets chirping!
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 17, 2013
@beachvetlbc @tibbsy07 Hydrolysis of Nucleic Acids (in acid and base) http://t.co/iSvY0IMCWG
— Suzanne Kennedy (@SuzyScientist) December 18, 2013
Dr Suzy the Scientist posts a link to a study on chemical hydrolysis of ribonucleic acids. Not only is it completely irrelevant to dsRNA, but the hydrolysis reaction takes place after an hour of boiling. How many people do you know who stew their stomach contents at 220F for an hour?
As a brilliant scientist watching this little drama unfold commented: "Funny how they so adamantly claim these things but cannot show any data."
The stuff sounds pretty indestructible now. Of course, it isn't, because we have lots of enzymes called pancreatic RNases to digest RNA, Suzy the Scientist evidently forgot about.
@tibbsy07 Thxs! Appreciate it, Adam! Will read it as soon as I have a chance @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 18, 2013
OK! Finally! After days of unscientific nonsense, we arrive where we should have started --at our first science citation. Or rather a citation to a study on pancreatic ribonucleases (RNases), enzymes that degrade RNA, which, by the way, have little to do with chemical degradation at pH 2.
@tibbsy07 @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist OK. No data on how fast dsRNA degraded in stomach,or anywhere else1/3
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 19, 2013
@tibbsy07 @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist 2) bacterial dsRNA. Plants modify dsRNA with 2'Me making more stable.
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 19, 2013
@tibbsy07 @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist Do bacteria? Don't think so."Plant miRNAs 2′-O-methyl modified 3/4
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 19, 2013
@tibbsy07 @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist on terminal nucleotide, which renders them resistant to periodate4/5
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 19, 2013
@tibbsy07 @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist
So, if this citation was supposed to be reassuring Adam, it wasn't!
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 19, 2013
First, no data on how fast the dsRNA disappears from the stomach, nor anywhere else. It was bacterial dsRNA, not plant dsRNA. Nor was this a paper measuring acid stability, but enzymatic stability.
No relevance to how fast the dsRNA disappears and whether or not it is rendered inert during digestion time under physiological conditions.
(Thanks to Dr Heinemann!)
No relevance to how fast the dsRNA disappears and whether or not it is rendered inert during digestion time under physiological conditions.
(Thanks to Dr Heinemann!)
I did eventually get a citation to a second study on degradation of dsRNA in the stomach kindly posted by Dr David Tribe aka GMOpundit.
@beachvetlbc @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @kevinfolta @SuzyScientist http://t.co/ns0rXhSsJ2 Fig 3. u cld ave usd Google scholar
— gmopundit (@gmopundit) December 18, 2013
The trouble is that Dr Tribe's study actually showed that dsRNA is stable for extended periods of time relative to time in stomach (10 to >24 hours) and is not more unstable at pHs that might be relevant to human digestion (5)
Fig 3 at >ph 6.8. dsRNA detectable up to 10 hours at all pHs tested.
Detectable at 24 hours at all except pH 6.8 (and this appears to be an anomaly).
Fig 4 they test to only as low as pH 5, not pH 2 Still present after 24 hours at the LOWEST tested pH of 5!
Curiously enough, Dr Tribe stated " Simply put, the relevant wheat RNA molecules will be rapidly digested in the gut to harmless, simple nutrients." on his blog discussing silenced wheat.
It turns out there might not have been any science evidence to back up that assumption/ hypothesis/belief.
As far as I can see in this little melodrama, NO studies showing these novel stable RNA molecules that we've never eaten- showing it gets degraded in the human gastro-intestinal tract - were cited at all.
Curiously enough, Dr Tribe stated " Simply put, the relevant wheat RNA molecules will be rapidly digested in the gut to harmless, simple nutrients." on his blog discussing silenced wheat.
It turns out there might not have been any science evidence to back up that assumption/ hypothesis/belief.
As far as I can see in this little melodrama, NO studies showing these novel stable RNA molecules that we've never eaten- showing it gets degraded in the human gastro-intestinal tract - were cited at all.
@gmopundit @kevinfolta @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @SuzyScientist Confused David. "Simply put, the relevant wheat RNA molecules 1/2
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 20, 2013
@gmopundit @kevinfolta @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @SuzyScientist will be rapidly digested in the gut to harmless simple nutrients."
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 20, 2013
@gmopundit @kevinfolta @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @SuzyScientist http://t.co/L7Y5ODQjH3 Yet, yer cited paper does NOT show dsRNA 3/4
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 20, 2013
@gmopundit @kevinfolta @Chrisatmosphere @prometheusgreen @SuzyScientist instablity in the human stomach!
What gives, David? :)
— Dogctor (@beachvetlbc) December 20, 2013
I am of the mindset now that some "scientists" either have never questioned their deeply held assumptions, maybe since high school. Someone way smarter than myself once said: "assumptions are called ASSumptions because they make ASSes out of us". Or they are willfully selling illusions they know nothing in common with science, and much more in common with religious beliefs.
Unfortunately, the unconscionable denial of risks of RNAi is hindering promising medical research! http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-12640-muzzled-by-monsanto.html, which is most definitely very tragic.
References:
1. Securing the safety of genetic modification
Dr Jack A. Heinemann
http://theconversation.com/securing-the-safety-of-genetic-modification-13102
2. The complex exogenous RNA spectra in human plasma: an interface with human gut biota?
PLos One 2012;7(12):e51009. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0051009. Epub 2012 Dec 10.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23251414
3. Non-Target Effects of Green Fluorescent Protein (GFP)-Derived Double-Stranded RNA (dsRNA-GFP) Used in Honey Bee RNA Interference (RNAi) Assays
http://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/4/1/90
4. Nat Biotechnol 2007 Nov;25(11):1322-6. Epub 2007 Nov 4.
Control of coleopteran insect pests through RNA interference.
Control of coleopteran insect pests through RNA interference.
Baum JA, Bogaert T, Clinton W, Heck GR, Feldmann P, Ilagan O, Johnson S, Plaetinck G, Munyikwa T, Pleau M, Vaughn T, Roberts J.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/179824435. RNAi-Based Insecticidal Crops: Potential Effects on Nontarget Species
Jonathan G. LundGren and Jian J. duan
http://www.aibs.org/bioscience-press-releases/resources/Lundgren.pdf
6. Br.J.Cancer 2013 Feb 5;108(2):450-60. doi: 10.1038/bjc.2012.564. Epub 2013 Jan 8.Lack of correlation between predicted and actual off-target effects of short-interfering RNAstargeting the human papillomavirus type 16 E7 oncogene.
Hanning JE, Saini HK, Murray MJ, van Dongen S, Davis MP, Barker EM, Ward DM, Scarpini CG, Enright AJ, Pett MR, Coleman N.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/232995387. Environment International 37 (2011) 1285–1293
Review Molecular profiling — a tool for addressing emerging gaps in the comparative risk
assessment of GMOs.
Jack A. Heinemann a,b,⁎, Brigitta Kurenbach a,b, David Quist b
a School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, Private Bag 4800, Christchurch, New Zealand b GenØk – Centre for Biosafety, Tromsø, Norway
Table 1
Expert views on profiling.
Method Positive perspectives on profiling
High throughput sequencing. High-throughput sequencing proved to be a powerful and quantitative method to sample transcriptomes deeply at maximal resolution. In contrast to hybridization, sequencing showed little, if any, background noise and was sensitive enough to detect
widespread transcription in N90% of the genome, including traces of RNAs that were not robustly transcribed or [were] rapidly degraded. (Wilhelm et al., 2008)
Proteomics Therefore, DIGE [DIfference Gel Electrophoresis] is highly appropriate for comparative profiling of knockout, transgenic, or isogenic germplasm as well as defined pharmacological or stress induced responses as recent reports suggest. Another important consideration is that quantitative studies using 2-D gels in general, and 2-D DIGE in particular, can be performed with any plant
species and are not restricted to plants with sequenced genomes. (Thelen and Peck, 2007)
Proteomics Inter-experimental reproducibility is not good using 2-dimensional polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis approaches, however, an excellent differential display technique (DIGE) allows multiple samples to be compared on the same gel and is a powerful tool in biomarker discovery for laboratory exposure studies which is quantifiable. (Van Aggelen et al., 2010)
Metabolomics [Catchpole et al. (2005)] demonstrated the compositional similarity between GM and non-GM potatoes using mass spectrometric fingerprinting as a primary screen, which was then amended by detailed quantitative profiling analyses. This approach (i.e. combining non-targeted and targeted analytical methods) appears feasible even for screening large numbers of transgenic plants, and the application of both supervised and unsupervised data analysis techniques ensures independency from statistical bias. (Rischer and Oksman-Caldentey, 2006)
Metabolomics [The Catchpole et al. (2005) study was] the first report of a large scale metabolomic analysis of field grown GM potato plants, and it highlights the importance of analytical technology and appropriate data analysis for the safety assessment of GM crops. (Colquhoun et al., 2006)
Metabolomics The work reviewed here demonstrates that the tools that are currently available for metabolite profiling are mature and robust enough to facilitate their use in the investigation of biological processes.(Schauer and Fernie, 2006)
Metabolomics In particular, an impressive number of natural foods, spices and beverages have already been the subject of detailed metabolomic-based component analysis, including milk, grapes, tomatoes and tomato juice, rhubarb, beer, celery seeds, coriander as well as many other herbs and spices. These analyses used a combination of NMR, GC–MS, LC–MS and CE techniques
to identify up to 100 different phytochemicals or 200 different carbohydrates in selected fruit, vegetable or beverage samples. (Wishart, 2008)
Mass spectrometry [It is now] possible to choose from a variety of techniques, such as flow injection electrospray ionisation mass spectrometry (FIEMS), Fourier transform ion cyclotron resonance mass spectrometry (FT-ICR-MS), Fourier transform infrared (FTIR) spectroscopy and nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), which facilitate rapid fingerprinting of crude extracts, [to provide profiles of chemical compositions of GM plants].(Rischer andOksman-Caldentey, 2006)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21624662
8. http://www.hfsp.org/frontier-science/awardees-articles/triggering-secondary-sirna-production-plants-role-mirna-structure
9. A comparative evaluation of the regulation of GM crops or products containing dsRNA and suggested improvements to risk assessments
- a School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
- b Centre for Integrated Research in Biosafety, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
- c Crop Science Department, Federal University of Santa Catarina, Florianópolis, Brazil
- d Health and the Environment, School of the Environment, Flinders University, Australia
- e Institute of Health and Environmental Research, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Open Access
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412013000494
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Footnotes:
I see your point but am unsure why you're so concerned with dsRNA of PPO. Is there a human homolog? I don't know the answer to that question. On the other hand, any plant or animal infected with an RNA virus will contain a *lot* of dsRNA as replicative intermediates, both full-length and smaller fragments. Many more plants than you would expect are infected with cryptic viruses, which accumulate without symptoms so maybe we should spend more time looking at those viruses. A friend of mine, the late Guido Boccardo, spent much of his career working on those viruses, and he would be thrilled if the cryptic viruses finally got the attention they deserved.
ReplyDeleteThanks for you comment Michael. I don't understand how cryptic viruses contained in fruit imply that exogenous dsRNA is safe. The reason I questioned the scientists about "off-target" effects is that they have nothing to do with PPO, otherwise we wouldn't call them "off-target" Without profiling you can't be sure what was silenced in the apple, by primary or secondary dsRNA. Plants contain neutraceuticals, allergens and toxins. Without feeding trials, I can't be sure what effects these apples will have on those who eat them, especially without labeling ( and how do you label a sliced apple anyways?) thus no traceability. As a medical professional my credo is "first do no harm". I know that the apple at my grocery store wont harm me, but don't have the knowledge to say the same about the silenced apple without proper studies.
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